JP Aggregate Sub List 09/29/18

Hey everyone! As promised, I present to you the Aggregate Sub List, that’s been on break since mid-July. I favour the Leader list a lot more (makes a lot more sense and generally makes a better discussion), but to keep things fresh, I have brought this back. 

Before I begin, know that the lists below come with the big red Disclaimer and should only be treated as a guideline and a point for discussion. Teambuilding depends heavily on your lead, your box, and the dungeon you’re tackling, etc etc. 

Anyway! The “top” subs have not changed much. The new cards we have seen released since July have mostly been leader material. Arguably, the subs released also only fit into a small subset of the teams available. That and the fact that the Sub lists by Game8, GameWith, and Altema hardly see changes anyway.

For that reason, instead I’m going to go over a certain card that has become the topic of discussion on MP spending: Kuroyuri. I think she ties in nicely to NA PAD’s timeline, because there will be few leads dropping very soon in NA that can make use of her. Read on!

You’ve bound to have heard of her by now. She’s one of the two MP cards that came with the Gungho Collab, costing at 750k MP. Her main point of interest is from her active skill: “Heal for 40% of max HP every turn for 6 turns. Reduces cooldown of other skills by 1 turn.”, with a cooldown of 12 turns.

At first glance, her active skill certainly doesn’t seem all that broken amidst the ever evolving meta. But recently, Gungho has been starting to slap on new leader skills with 2x HP along with decent ATK multipliers. With a dual lead, that brings it up to 4x HP, at the cost of no RCV multipliers. This is where fitting TWO Kuroyuri onto the team really starts gaining value. 

To give you a better idea of how tanky these teams are, the people over at the JP server calls these 4x HP teams as “unsinkable fleets”:

Daks’s Barbara & Julie team
Ogre’s Noir team
KAZUKI’s Dark/Fire Rajoa team

And people have been using Kuroyuri as inherits onto similar team:

Ogre’s Vraska team, using Tadis as base for Kuroyuri
Nao’s Ameno Costume Gintoki team, using Revo Isis as base

… and etcetera. Similar builds can be used with the new Mega Awoken Evos of Ryune and Sylvie. 

I have seen some discussions on Reddit and elsewhere, that the “Kuroyuri Loop” can be subbed out with healing subs such as Eir or Mel. This is definitely debatable; my opinion is that Kuroyuri is way more reliable and worry-free. A small little bonus on top of this, is that her skill also hastes 1 turn. Makes stalling that much less painful. When tackling an unforgiving dungeon such as Alt Arena, every little thing counts. 

That being said, is buying TWO Kuroyuri worth 1,500,000 MP for the meta that’s to sweep NA? My verdict is, “probably not”. For most people, they won’t have 1.5m MP on hand to spend by Oct 31st (when Kuruyuri/Leo finally leaves). If you have to sell REM cards to scrape together enough MP, OR if you’re just barely over 1.5m, then I don’t think she’s worth it. While she is great like I’ve discussed, that much Monster Points is a huge one-time investment.

I can only give you the yellow light (proceed with caution!) if you have at least 2m Monster Points, AND have a few 2x HP leads that you plan to extensively use for Alt Arena and similar. 

Anyway, I’ve had fun with this post. That will be it for this week. Tell me what you think of Kuroyuri? (There are forum embedded comments down below for discussions… or on Reddit)

Thanks for reading!

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DISCLAIMER: (quoted from SetsuPAD)
“Do NOT take these ratings as facts; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which subs are actually the best for your specific situation.”Cards you own that are not on these Tier Lists are not automatically nonviable, and cards you own that are on these Tier Lists are not automatically viable. 

Cards you own that are not on these Tier Lists are not automatically nonviable, and cards you own that are on these Tier Lists are not automatically viable.

The Subs below mostly accompany top combo/colour leads, such as the leaders from my “JP Aggregate Leader List” posts. They boast tremendous firepower through their multiple 7c awakenings and/or have valuable killer awakenings (such as God, dragon, devil killers). HOWEVER, they are not universal; all subs should be built around your leader, and more importantly the DUNGEON you are tackling. Which goes back to my main point: “Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which subs are actually the best for your specific situation.”

JP Aggregate Sub List


Changes from last time: Amamiya up from #5 to #2, Odin Dragon up from #4 to #3, Amatsu down from #2 to #4, Ilmina down from #3 to #5
Original source
Top 1-5
3930 - Colorful Benevolence Dragon Caller, Ideal
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3657 - Amatsu
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina

Game8


Changes from last time: Amamiya moves up from #5 to #4, Hades Shinsuke replaces Amatsu for #5 in “Overall 1-5”, Revo Idunn & Idunna replaces Beach Fujin in “Water Top 3”, Hades Shinsuke replaces Halloween Verdandi in “Dark Top 3”
Original source
Overall 1-5
3930 - Colorful Benevolence Dragon Caller, Ideal
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
4413 - Great Witch of the Ice Flowers, Reeche
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
4758 - Hades Costume, Shinsuke Takasugi
Fire Top 3
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
3606 - Fire Dragon, Natsu
3933 - Shield Drifting Dragon Caller, Enra
Water Top 3
4413 - Great Witch of the Ice Flowers, Reeche
3483 - Reincarnated Idunn&Idunna
3657 - Amatsu
Wood Top 3
4415 - Great Witch of the Stone Fists, Zela
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3947 - Savage Claws Dragonbound, Tardis
Light Top 3
3930 - Colorful Benevolence Dragon Caller, Ideal
4020 - Fullmetal Alchemist, Edward Elric
4302 - Spirit Detective, Yusuke Urameshi
Dark Top 3
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
4758 - Hades Costume, Shinsuke Takasugi
4204 - Sweet Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney

Altema


Changes from last time: Ideal up from #2 to #1, Yusuke up from #5 to #2, Amatsu down from #1 to #3, Odin Dragon down from #3 to #4, Amamiya Ren added to #5, Ragnarok Dragon kicked. Major changes to the other elemental Top 5s. See my last Sub post for comparison.
Original source
Overall 1-5
3930 - Colorful Benevolence Dragon Caller, Ideal
4302 - Spirit Detective, Yusuke Urameshi
3657 - Amatsu
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
Fire Top 5
3933 - Shield Drifting Dragon Caller, Enra
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
4077 - Scion of the Flame, Kyo Kusanagi
3943 - Violent Destruction Arm Dragonbound, No.6
3897 - Scorched Claw Toy Dragon Caller, Cotton
Water Top 5
3657 - Amatsu
4603 - Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain
4413 - Great Witch of the Ice Flowers, Reeche
4788 - Summer Vacation Promise, Barbara & Julie
4748 - Gintoki Sakata
Wood Top 5
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3788 - Destructive Machine God, Ragnarok Dragon
4605 - Vraska the Unseen
4415 - Great Witch of the Stone Fists, Zela
3947 - Savage Claws Dragonbound, Tardis
Light Top 5
3930 - Colorful Benevolence Dragon Caller, Ideal
4302 - Spirit Detective, Yusuke Urameshi
4001 - Inheritor of Hiten Mitsurugi-ryu, Hiko Seijuro
4648 - Great Witch of the Glowing Gates, Saline
2766 - Unwavering Summoner, Yuna
Dark Top 5
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
3941 - Investigation Pursuing Dragon Caller, Nees
4689 - Noir, the Infinity of Lost Gear
4086 - Assassination Arts Heir, Leona Heidern
4204 - Sweet Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney

GameWith


Changes from last time: Amamiya Ren added to #3, Rikuu Kamui added to #4, Amatsu down from #3 to #5, Zinogre and Yuna kicked. Major changes to the other elemental Top 5s. See my last Sub post for comparison.
Original source
Overall 1-5
3930 - Colorful Benevolence Dragon Caller, Ideal
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
4761 - Rikuu Costume, Kamui
3657 - Amatsu
Fire Top 5
4761 - Rikuu Costume, Kamui
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
4077 - Scion of the Flame, Kyo Kusanagi
3933 - Shield Drifting Dragon Caller, Enra
3606 - Fire Dragon, Natsu
Water Top 5
3657 - Amatsu
4413 - Great Witch of the Ice Flowers, Reeche
4791 - Wave Riding Demon Princess, Fujin
4603 - Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain
3764 - Norn of Etched Water, Skuld
Wood Top 5
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
4415 - Great Witch of the Stone Fists, Zela
4284 - Mega Awoken Green Dragon Caller, Sonia Fio
4605 - Vraska the Unseen
3788 - Destructive Machine God, Ragnarok Dragon
Light Top 5
3930 - Colorful Benevolence Dragon Caller, Ideal
4135 - Thunderlord Zinogre
2766 - Unwavering Summoner, Yuna
4302 - Spirit Detective, Yusuke Urameshi
4022 - Armor Bound Brother, Alphonse Elric
Dark Top 5
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
4758 - Hades Costume, Shinsuke Takasugi
4196 - Stasis Norn, Planar
3901 - Jester Toy Dragon Caller, Cotton
4204 - Sweet Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney

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