JP Aggregate Sub List 05/18/18

 

Hi everyone; long overdue for a Sub list (last one was April 22). Apparently I have let a big contender for the Top 5 Aggregate Sub List slip right past me, so I will present him now: Ren Amamiya from the Persona Collab. It’s not without reason that I missed him, however; Ren does not excel in any given field, but is a jack-of-all-trades “Joker” sub for a lot of teams. This in turn has earned him temporary top spots in the sub tier list sites Game8, GameWith, and AppMedia. As the main character of this post, I have provided his stats down below (taken from the PAD community Discord server):

 

I know it’s a little late to be talking about Ren (since you can’t roll for him anymore), but there’s a good chance for the Collab to come to NA and an even greater chance it’ll return to JP. Debate and decide if he’s worth it for when the time comes. Anyway, let’s get straight to it.

Right off the bat, his Active Skill should remind you of Odin Dragon. Removing all bind and awoken bind is absolutely invaluable in Alt Arena, and Ren’s other strengths arguably beats out Odin Dragon. His skill’s second effect of “1 turn delay” makes his active skill quite versatile and would probably see more use than that of Odin Dragon’s.

Looking at his weighted stats, Ren’s is actually below average compared to a lot of the “meta” subs out there; however his good mix of awakenings more than makes up for it. Unbindable + 2 Time Extends + 2 7c + FUA means he can be a damage dealer and FUA utility at the same time, similar to that of Amatsu. Finally, his Balanced typing allows him to wield any killer latent awakenings.
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In summary, Ren combines some of the strengths of the current best subs (Amatsu’s, Odin Dragon’s, Balanced-typing) all into one card. While he is currently only ranked in Game8’s Overall list, he has earned the top spot of AppMedia’s and GameWith’s “Dark Top 5”, thus earning him the #5 spot on our Aggregate Sub List, replacing Yusuke (who is now #6)

Speaking of Yusuke, for my NA readers out there, if it hasn’t been said enough: Do still try to trade for him, if you have the dupe 6* GFE. Still a very solid solo and co-op lead and decent sub. I’m regretting my decision of not trading for him over at the JP server; I’ve been missing a solid VDP sub for a long time now and I couldn’t believe I’ve let the chance slip past.

Anyway, that is all for this week. As always, thank you for reading!

DISCLAIMER: (quoted from SetsuPAD)
“Do NOT take these ratings as facts; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which subs are actually the best for your specific situation.”

Cards you own that are not on these Tier Lists are not automatically nonviable, and cards you own that are on these Tier Lists are not automatically viable. 

The Subs below mostly accompany top combo/colour leads, such as the leaders from my “JP Aggregate Leader List” posts. They boast tremendous firepower through their multiple 7c awakenings and/or have valuable killer awakenings (such as God, dragon, devil killers). HOWEVER, they are not universal; all subs should be built around your leader, and more importantly the DUNGEON you are tackling. Which goes back to my main point: “Don’t take these ratings as fact; I encourage you to simply take them as a starting point for discussion to figure out which subs are actually the best for your specific situation.”

JP Aggregate Sub List


Changes from last time: Ren Amamiya (#4379) replaces Yusuke as #5
Top 1-5
3930 - åšæ„›ã®å½©é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ideal
3657 - Amatsu
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene

Game8


Changes from last time: Ren Amamiya (#4379) added to “Overall 1-5” as #2; Cotton(s) kicked as a result, Ren Amamiya + Valentines Ney + Halloween Verdandi added to “Dark Top 3”; Nohime + Sephiroth + Meliodas kicked as a result
Original source
Overall 1-5
3930 - åšæ„›ã®å½©é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ideal
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
3657 - Amatsu
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
Fire Top 3
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
3757 - Thunder Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney
3933 - 秘匿ã®æ¼‚é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»ã‚¨ãƒ³ãƒ©
Water Top 3
3657 - Amatsu
3758 - Coiled Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney
3846 - Paradise's Demon Princess, Fujin
Wood Top 3
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3788 - Destructive Machine God, Ragnarok Dragon
3759 - Quartz Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney
Light Top 3
3930 - åšæ„›ã®å½©é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ideal
4020 - 鋼ã®éŒ¬é‡‘術師・Edward Elric
4302 - 霊界探åµãƒ»æµ¦é£¯å¹½åŠ©
Dark Top 3
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
4204 - 甘美ã®é›¶é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ney
3994 - Norn of Excursions, Verdandi

Altema


Changes from last time: Ren Amamiya (#4379) added to “Dark Top 5” as #1, Dark Uruka kicked as a result
Original source
Overall 1-5
3657 - Amatsu
3930 - åšæ„›ã®å½©é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ideal
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3788 - Destructive Machine God, Ragnarok Dragon
4302 - 霊界探åµãƒ»æµ¦é£¯å¹½åŠ©
Fire Top 5
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
3933 - 秘匿ã®æ¼‚é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»ã‚¨ãƒ³ãƒ©
3943 - æ»…è…•ã®è’é¾å¥‘士・6å·
3897 - Scorched Claw Toy Dragon Caller, Cotton
3260 - Yamato Flame Dragon Caller, Tsubaki
Water Top 5
3657 - Amatsu
3524 - Aqualily Goddess of Bliss, Uruka
3846 - Paradise's Demon Princess, Fujin
3945 - 冷牙ã®è™šé¾å¥‘士・Kiri
3758 - Coiled Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney
Wood Top 5
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3788 - Destructive Machine God, Ragnarok Dragon
3899 - Horned Fort Toy Dragon Caller, Cotton
4415 - 岩拳ã®å¤§é­”女・Zera
3967 - 唱導ã®ç¥ž, Rushana
Light Top 5
3930 - åšæ„›ã®å½©é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ideal
4302 - 霊界探åµãƒ»æµ¦é£¯å¹½åŠ©
2766 - Unwavering Summoner, Yuna
4135 - Thunderlord Zinogre
4022 - 鎧ã®å¼Ÿãƒ»Alphonse Elric
Dark Top 5
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
4204 - 甘美ã®é›¶é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ney
3699 - Awoken Nohime
4056 - é»’æ»…ã®å¨å¥³ç¥žãƒ»Kali
3941 - Investigation Pursuing Dragon Caller, Nees

GameWith


Changes from last time: Ren Amamiya added to “Dark Top 5” as #1, Leona (#4086) kicked as a result
Original source
Overall 1-5
3930 - åšæ„›ã®å½©é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ideal
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
3657 - Amatsu
4135 - Thunderlord Zinogre
2766 - Unwavering Summoner, Yuna
Fire Top 5
3274 - Phantom Demon of the Grimoire, Ilmina
3897 - Scorched Claw Toy Dragon Caller, Cotton
3933 - 秘匿ã®æ¼‚é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»ã‚¨ãƒ³ãƒ©
3757 - Thunder Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney
3260 - Yamato Flame Dragon Caller, Tsubaki
Water Top 5
3657 - Amatsu
3764 - Norn of Etched Water, Skuld
3524 - Aqualily Goddess of Bliss, Uruka
3898 - Drilling Shark Toy Dragon Caller, Cotton
3758 - Coiled Cipher Dragon Caller, Ney
Wood Top 5
3264 - Original God Odin Dragon, Light Lance Form
4415 - 岩拳ã®å¤§é­”女・Zera
4284 - 極醒ã®ç·‘é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Sonia=Fio
3788 - Destructive Machine God, Ragnarok Dragon
3751 - Awoken Cronus
Light Top 5
3930 - åšæ„›ã®å½©é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ideal
4135 - Thunderlord Zinogre
2766 - Unwavering Summoner, Yuna
4302 - 霊界探åµãƒ»æµ¦é£¯å¹½åŠ©
4022 - 鎧ã®å¼Ÿãƒ»Alphonse Elric
Dark Top 5
4379 - Ren Amamiya & Arsene
4204 - 甘美ã®é›¶é¾å–šå£«ãƒ»Ney
3901 - Jester Toy Dragon Caller, Cotton
3525 - Darkstar Goddess of Bliss, Uruka
4056 - é»’æ»…ã®å¨å¥³ç¥žãƒ»Kali

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